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	<title>Comments on: Offseason Outlook:  Third Base</title>
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		<title>By: TT</title>
		<link>http://twinsfix.com/2009/10/29/offseason-outlook-third-base/comment-page-1/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valencia&#039;s problem is that he was always old for his league and when he finally was playing against competition the same age, he hit a wall at AAA. He started hot for a couple of weeks and then struggled the entire second half of the season. And he has always made an awful lot of errors.

While writing Valencia off based on a half season at AAA would be foolish, so would making any decisions around him on who to acquire for the major league roster. He&#039;s not kicking down the door now and it is very unlikely he ever will. The Twins are far more likely to have to find room for Trevor Plouffe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valencia&#8217;s problem is that he was always old for his league and when he finally was playing against competition the same age, he hit a wall at AAA. He started hot for a couple of weeks and then struggled the entire second half of the season. And he has always made an awful lot of errors.</p>
<p>While writing Valencia off based on a half season at AAA would be foolish, so would making any decisions around him on who to acquire for the major league roster. He&#8217;s not kicking down the door now and it is very unlikely he ever will. The Twins are far more likely to have to find room for Trevor Plouffe</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - &quot;in short, I don&#039;t like him at short.&quot;  I did NOT mean for that to be as lame as it was :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; &#8220;in short, I don&#8217;t like him at short.&#8221;  I did NOT mean for that to be as lame as it was :-p</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heineken-77:

I&#039;m hoping to take a more in-depth look at Cabrera soon, when I look at short stop and second base.  In short, I don&#039;t like him at short.  His value plummeted this year due almost entirely to his defense.  That said, we all saw him make some pretty impressive-looking plays down the stretch, and defensive analysis (particularly metrics) can be quite fickle, so maybe his decline isn&#039;t as bad as last years numbers show.  Moving him to second, where range wouldn&#039;t be as critical, is an intriguing idea.  I&#039;ll kick it around for a bit and probably post on it in the next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heineken-77:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping to take a more in-depth look at Cabrera soon, when I look at short stop and second base.  In short, I don&#8217;t like him at short.  His value plummeted this year due almost entirely to his defense.  That said, we all saw him make some pretty impressive-looking plays down the stretch, and defensive analysis (particularly metrics) can be quite fickle, so maybe his decline isn&#8217;t as bad as last years numbers show.  Moving him to second, where range wouldn&#8217;t be as critical, is an intriguing idea.  I&#8217;ll kick it around for a bit and probably post on it in the next week.</p>
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		<title>By: Heineken-77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heineken-77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crede at third seems to be a pretty good fit.  He should at least start the season healthy.  When/if he gets hurt, Valencia should be ready.  Even with alot of 2b free agents, What do you think about the twins signing Cabrera to play second? Sign Crede for another year at 3rd, and move punto to ss, (or utility with a ss trade)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crede at third seems to be a pretty good fit.  He should at least start the season healthy.  When/if he gets hurt, Valencia should be ready.  Even with alot of 2b free agents, What do you think about the twins signing Cabrera to play second? Sign Crede for another year at 3rd, and move punto to ss, (or utility with a ss trade)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, no problem TG!  Great work (as usual) on the handbook.

I haven&#039;t had a chance to read the whole thing or the Smith interview yet.  Didn&#039;t one of the beat writers for the Strib (maybe it was Souhan or Reusse) say a while back that Valencia is a bit of a hot head, or has a bit of a big head, or something?  If so, maybe you&#039;re right and they are trying to send that message?

Seems to me, though, that this is just Bill Smith trying to level the playing field like he always does to avoid tipping his hand on anything.  Saying Valencia is &quot;the guy&quot; naturally would depress Hughes&#039; trade value (theoretically, anyway, and only a little bit).  I guess I just have a hard time buying it.  Just looking at RF, Hughes does seem to have a slight edge on defense, but offensively Valencia seems to me to be much more front-line.  Who knows though - it&#039;s hard to tell what Smith is thinking.

I&#039;m not real high on Cabrera - the bad OBP, the plummeting defensive skills, etc.  I&#039;d be ok with him were they to improve the other two infield spots.  Punto wouldn&#039;t be bad if they improved at short and second.  Second seems to be the easiest to improve via free agency, short seems just about impossible to improve via free agency (unless you want to pay for Marco Scutaro&#039;s career year), and third seems like the Twins could patch it together.  With that in mind, I&#039;d be much happier with Punto at short - good enough D, decent OBP, good fit for short.  Patch third, sign quality FA for second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, no problem TG!  Great work (as usual) on the handbook.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had a chance to read the whole thing or the Smith interview yet.  Didn&#8217;t one of the beat writers for the Strib (maybe it was Souhan or Reusse) say a while back that Valencia is a bit of a hot head, or has a bit of a big head, or something?  If so, maybe you&#8217;re right and they are trying to send that message?</p>
<p>Seems to me, though, that this is just Bill Smith trying to level the playing field like he always does to avoid tipping his hand on anything.  Saying Valencia is &#8220;the guy&#8221; naturally would depress Hughes&#8217; trade value (theoretically, anyway, and only a little bit).  I guess I just have a hard time buying it.  Just looking at RF, Hughes does seem to have a slight edge on defense, but offensively Valencia seems to me to be much more front-line.  Who knows though &#8211; it&#8217;s hard to tell what Smith is thinking.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not real high on Cabrera &#8211; the bad OBP, the plummeting defensive skills, etc.  I&#8217;d be ok with him were they to improve the other two infield spots.  Punto wouldn&#8217;t be bad if they improved at short and second.  Second seems to be the easiest to improve via free agency, short seems just about impossible to improve via free agency (unless you want to pay for Marco Scutaro&#8217;s career year), and third seems like the Twins could patch it together.  With that in mind, I&#8217;d be much happier with Punto at short &#8211; good enough D, decent OBP, good fit for short.  Patch third, sign quality FA for second.</p>
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		<title>By: Twins Geek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twins Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words David.

I think one of the interesting things about that Smith interview was how he went to great lengths to say that Valencia was not ahead of Hughes.  I wonder if they&#039;re trying to send a message to Valencia for some reason.

I&#039;ll throw out one other option - Nick Punto.  Don&#039;t cringe too much.  What if they re-sign Cabrera, can&#039;t bring back Crede, and then they look at all those available great second basemen and jump in on one of them?

Just some more stuff to think about....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words David.</p>
<p>I think one of the interesting things about that Smith interview was how he went to great lengths to say that Valencia was not ahead of Hughes.  I wonder if they&#8217;re trying to send a message to Valencia for some reason.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll throw out one other option &#8211; Nick Punto.  Don&#8217;t cringe too much.  What if they re-sign Cabrera, can&#8217;t bring back Crede, and then they look at all those available great second basemen and jump in on one of them?</p>
<p>Just some more stuff to think about&#8230;.</p>
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